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An Interview with Brenda Knight on The Gratitude Power Workbook

David Van Nuys, Ph.D. Updated: Jan 13th 2012

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Brenda Knight In this podcast, Dr Van Nuys talks with editor and publisher Brenda Knight about the power of gratitude. Brenda Knight is a 20-year publishing veteran, starting at Harper Collins, and she also authored the American Book Award-winning Women of the Beat Generation, Wild Women and Books, Rituals for Life, The Poetry Oracle, and the forthcoming Happiness Habits. Brenda discusses how she thinks gratitude is very important and that she believes it actually makes people healthier. In the book, they talk about how neuropsychiatrist David Amen says that thoughts carry physical properties and the properties of negative thoughts can be detrimental to people leading a healthy, happy life. To overturn these negative effects, he prescribes thinking more positively. And he says that by doing that, people can change the way their brain works. And so, literally, people can be healthier and happier, and perhaps they can even stay a little more sane, saner, through the power of gratitude.

David Van Nuys: Welcome to Wise Counsel, a podcast interview series sponsored by, covering topics in mental health, wellness, and psychotherapy. My name is Dr. David Van Nuys. I'm a clinical psychologist and your host.

On today's show, we will be talking with editor and publisher Brenda Knight about the power of gratitude. Brenda Knight is a 20-year publishing veteran, starting at Harper Collins, and she also authored the American Book Award-winning Women of the Beat Generation, Wild Women and Books, Rituals for Life, The Poetry Oracle, and the forthcoming Happiness Habits. She has worked with many best-selling authors, including Diane di Prima, Phil Cousineau, Daphne Rose Kingma, B.J. Gallagher, and Congresswoman Jackie Speier, Mary Jane Ryan, and Paulo Coelho. Founding editor of Viva Editions, Brenda Knight lives in the San Francisco Bay area, where she practices gratitude daily.

Now, here's the interview.

Brenda Knight, welcome to Wise Counsel.

Brenda Knight: Thanks for having me.

David: I've been reading The Gratitude Power Workbook: Transform Fear into Courage, Anger into Forgiveness, Isolation into Belonging by Nina Lesowitz and Mary Beth Sammons. And you're listed as the editor. Usually I interview the authors, but I understand that you were the driving force behind this book. Maybe you can tell us about that.

Brenda Knight: I'm so happy to tell you about that, David. Mary Beth Sammons and Nina Lesowitz authored a book for Viva Editions called Living Life as a Thank You. And it is doing phenomenally well. It sold 60,000 copies and going strong. And we got hundreds of emails, letters, even Facebook messages -- you know, because it's 2011 -- and people said, "I carry your Living Life as a Thank You in my purse and my briefcase. It's really helping me to have gratitude in my life every day, but I need more. I'm going -- you know, I lost my job. How can I be grateful at this point?"

And so we decided -- we heeded the call from the readers that they wanted more deeper gratitude power tools, if you will, and so I rolled up my sleeves and looked at Living Life as a Thank You, and thought about how we could turn it into a workbook. So, actually, David, almost all of the questions and I would say a third of the writing is mine. I just couldn't stop. I really got into it.

David: Okay. So listeners might want to look at that book as well as the one that we'll be talking about. Now, I imagine that you've done some research on the topic. Why is gratitude important?

Brenda Knight: It's very important. It actually makes you healthier. And, in fact, on the Gratitude Power Workbook, I think on page 5, we get right to it in the beginning of the Gratitude Power book. We talk about how neuropsychiatrist David Amen says that thoughts carry physical properties and the properties of negative thoughts can be detrimental to your leading a healthy, happy life. So to overturn these negative effects, he prescribes thinking more positively. And he says that by doing that, you can change the way your brain works. And so, literally, you can be healthier and happier, and perhaps you can even stay a little more sane, saner, through the power of gratitude. So we do an exercise about how to turn negative thoughts into positive thoughts.

David: Okay. I don't know if you saw the book by Barbara Ehrenreich, who was -- and I'm blocking on the title now, but it was very critical of the idea of positive thinking. She is --

Brenda Knight: Oh, really? No, I haven't seen it.

David: Yeah. Well, it was her contention that America kind of characterologically suffers from a happy face kind of mentality that I think she tended to see as a form of denial. So I probably shouldn't have brought that up, since you haven't seen the book.

Brenda Knight: No, that's okay. I'm an admirer of her. She's the one that worked as a waitress --

David: Exactly.

Brenda Knight: And one of her previous books was about the working class, right?

David: Yes, exactly.

Brenda Knight: Well, I'm an admirer of her work, and so I think that she's trying to point things out. She's trying to serve as a reminder, you know, maybe a reality reminder or something. And so --

David: Yeah, I think you're right because I had the feeling that, in some ways, she took an extreme position just to make a striking argument.

Brenda Knight: Right, and that can work. We need our contrarians, David. I think that we do need our contrarians, and we never want to fall into a Pollyanna consciousness, so I bet that's what she's about if she's saying, "Okay, random acts of kindness and an attitude of gratitude is fine, but not when you become like a robotic Pollyanna and don't do any deep thinking."

And so, actually, we don't address that, the Barbara Ehrenreich position, but we do ask people to really do some deep thinking in The Gratitude Power Workbook. There's quite a bit of reality talk in there. We tell people -- for example, the example I gave you that several people said: "I just lost my job, and how am I supposed to be grateful about that?" And other people are like, "Well, my husband has cancer, and he lost his job, and we're now living on a tiny salary. How do we be grateful about that?"

So we're not afraid of the tough stuff in The Gratitude Power Workbook, and we absolutely want people to do deep -- I call it "inner work," David. I mean that's what all of the spiritual thinking should be about, is inner work. And in the -- I think it's like Chapter 8 or something, around page 45, we talk about what happens when you approach middle age. And there's a maturation process for humans, and if it doesn't happen, basically that's a problem. But many people begin to question the very nature of your being, like "Who am I?"

David: Yes.

Brenda Knight: And people make fun of mid-life crisis, you know, when they see a fancy sports car or big expensive toys, and that's a shallow way of dealing with this maturation process. There's a better way to deal with these changes of mid-life and reflection, and it's an essential part of the process. If you don't feel the restlessness at middle age, that's definitely a red flag.

So our recommendation for the mid-life mayhem is to start a list of evolutionary goals to abet the inner will, that can open you into a wholly-integrated person. So one of the questions is -- and I'll ask you. I know you usually ask the questions, but I'll ask you a couple here, David.

David: Uh-oh.

Brenda Knight: What spirituality or wisdom tradition draws you in?

David: Well, I've been most drawn, I think, to kind of a form of Buddhism. I'm very influenced by Zen Buddhism in particular.

Brenda Knight: Hmm. Okay. Simplicity and acceptance. And so the next question is do you go on spiritual retreats?

David: I don't. No, I can't say that I have. It's something that I've thought about doing. I know various Zen centers and other meditation centers around here. We're both in California, so, as you know, there are lots of opportunities to do that sort of thing, and I've certainly had friends who've done it, but it's not something I've done up to this point.

Brenda Knight: Okay. Well, it can be a wonderful thing for reflection.

David: Sure.

Brenda Knight: And then question number three: if you could go anywhere in the world for a spiritual pilgrimage, where would you go?

David: Oh, I have no idea. I really -- at this point in my life, I'm not drawn to that notion.

Brenda Knight: Okay.

David: But let me go back to being the question asker here. Why a workbook?

Brenda Knight: Why a workbook.

David: Yeah, in what way is it a workbook? What kinds of work do you expect people to do in the book?

Brenda Knight: Yeah. We have prompts in there, where people can fill in the blanks. We give practices to people. Like there's even some mudras in there, some hand positions, some prayer prompts. We ask you -- I would say throughout the workbook, like every few pages, there's a set of questions that are meant to get you to a deeper level in your process and personal growth. And we ask people to fill out your spiritual bucket list, your life list. We encourage people to journal every day. I would say that Oprah might be the best example of the power of gratitude because she keeps a gratitude journal. Every single day she's filling one out.

David: Yeah, well, she's definitely an inspirational person, I think. I'm very impressed by what she's been able to accomplish in her life and in the world. Now, the subtitle says "transform fear into courage." How does gratitude do that?

Brenda Knight: Well, to be grateful, the transformation can happen very quickly because you go from thinking about what you don't have to what you do have. And so if you're thinking about "Oh, my God, I don't have enough money in my retirement fund; when I retire I'm going to be living on cat food," that kind of thinking can lead to fearful thinking. Fear can lead to basically paralysis. A lot of people become really -- they can't even act. They just become frozen by fear.

So, by instead thinking about what you do have -- well, I have wonderful family; I have work that I enjoy; maybe there's not a huge amount going into the retirement account, but I love my work, and I'm grateful for that -- and all of a sudden, you're coming from an abundant viewpoint, and that kind of abundant viewpoint actually creates and attracts more abundance, too. And the whole time, you're no longer thinking about what you don't have. You're no longer getting into that fearful mindset. You're becoming more courageous in your being.

And then also I love how gratitude and giving go hand-in-hand. Sometimes I listen to people say, "I'm going through a really hard time. I don't know; maybe I'm depressed." I will say, "Go volunteer at the soup kitchen." You know, we live here in the Bay Area, and I've volunteered at Glide Memorial, the famous Glide Memorial many times.

David: Yes. Good for you.

Brenda Knight: And I'll say, "Get your head out of your own problems and go help people." That's the quickest way you're going to realize that you don't have it so bad at all. And one of the main reasons we're here on Planet Earth is to give and to help people.

David: Okay. Good point. And also in the subtitle, it suggests that gratitude can transform anger into forgiveness. Tell us a bit about that alchemy.

Brenda Knight: That is an alchemy. I love that phraseology. Well, many of us, we get sort of dented. It's like we're a car with a bumper, and we go through life, and we get dented and we get our feelings hurt. And, little by little, it can become this aggregate that becomes like this big bag of grudges you're carrying around. And so, if you think about how silly that is for a moment, like why -- number one, you're harming yourself only. The person you're mad at may not even know it, doesn't need to know it.

And look at the word "forgiveness." It's "for giving," to give. So it kind of goes back what I was talking about before, that why we're really here as humans, like on this beautiful earth, is to help each other, to love each other, to give to each other. And what I've noticed, and it's certainly not anyone's intention when they're doing volunteer work or helping other people, but you usually get back tenfold what you give.

David: Yeah.

Brenda Knight: Invariably, it always happens.

David: You know, I can't believe that I never saw forgiveness; I never broke that word down that way before. And I love the way you broke that down.

Brenda Knight: Thank you.

David: Yeah, I hope I remember that, that it's forgiveness, for giving.

Brenda Knight: I know you will, David, because you're a very giving person. I can tell.

David: Oh, well, thank you. Now, how does gratitude -- this is also from the subtitle -- how does gratitude change isolation into belonging?

Brenda Knight: Well, if you even -- one of the little exercises in The Gratitude Power Workbook, that came from Living Life as a Thank You, is the quickest little like gratitude turnaround, like how to turn your life around in one minute flat, is to ask yourself or ask somebody else, "What are you grateful for?" Always, in somebody's list, it's like their husband or their family, their children. It's always the people.

The minute you start thinking about the people in your life and how wonderful and special they are, all of a sudden you want to be more with them. And you appreciate the people in your life, and you realize, "I used to spend time with my best friend like three times a week, and now I only see her once a month. What happened there? We let busyness and schedules and grocery shopping and walking the dog get in the way of that? Wait a minute. I've got to turn that around. This person means so much to me, is one of the lights of my life. I need to spend more time with them."

So it's a very organic process, but it happens every single time, and it breaks my heart to think about how, with all the modern conveniences -- you know, Facebook, Twitter, computer -- instead of bringing people more together, it has caused us to be more isolated. I mean, I remember like when -- I'm from West Virginia, a tiny little town in West Virginia -- and people didn't even bother to pick up the phone. If they wanted to see you, they just went over and knocked on the door, sort of like a real innocent, country way of living life. And it's a very beautiful way of living life. Think of the last time a friend just came over and knocked on your door. Has it been years?

David: Yes, it has been. It doesn't --

Brenda Knight: Yeah.

David: It doesn't happen. People don't -- it's considered bad form now, I think. I don't know if it's age related or --

Brenda Knight: Well, you know, it's actually --

David: Or a cultural change, but nobody's supposed to come over unless it's been planned ahead and you're expecting them. When I was a student, of course in the student days, it was a lot different, and we would just drop in on one another, and that was kind of good. I miss that.

Brenda Knight: I do too. Maybe there's a little, quiet, little, good neighbor, neighborly revolution we can start, that you don't have to make an appointment 10 months ahead and put it in your Android calendar before you go visit your best friend.

David: Yeah. Well, I felt -- and it's important to express the gratitude, too, I think, to friends. And I felt good about myself yesterday. I had lunch with a buddy and then had reason to send him an email later. And in my email, I said, "I really value our friendship." And I don't know where that impulse came from. I don't normally say that in every email I send to people. But I just somehow was in that place of feeling like, well, how wonderful that I have this friend that I can go out and have lunch with, and go on a walk with, and share so much with. So it felt very good to me to express that.

Brenda Knight: Lovely. That's an attitude of gratitude, David.

David: Yeah.

Brenda Knight: Sounds like you're living from -- using, working some gratitude power there.

David: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I'm really a believer and have been for some time. The book talks about gratitude as a spiritual practice, and you were asking me some questions that were kind of tending in that direction. In what way do you see gratitude as a spiritual practice?

Brenda Knight: Well, it's interesting because I've been thinking about this. I've been on the radio a bit, and this has come up and is a [unclear] question because it's making me think more deeply about it. Viva Editions -- you know, we're publishing books for vivacious living, and many of them are spiritual, but they're all about positivity. But we're really getting into a gratitude groove, which is a nice place to be in.

And I realize that we're publishing the simple virtues. Like we have a book by Judy Ford, Every Day Love, and it's about -- it's a big reminder about how every day we're supposed to be a living expression of life. We're publishing a book called The Inspired Life by Susyn Reeve, and she's talking about how what happens when you start getting in a rut of inspiration -- it's literally brain chemistry -- and how to change that. So I realize we're doing kindness, love, patience, gratitude, and they're the simple virtues. So they're about to be a good person and living a good life.

David: Yeah. A friend of mine actually has written a book about spirituality. It was about counseling and spirituality and counseling. And I liked his approach to defining spirituality, because that's something that he wrestled with. And really it came out to the practice of the kinds of virtues that you were just talking about, particularly to kindness, consideration, the Golden Rule, etc. That it doesn't have to be from India, or it doesn't have to be from Japan or some exotic place. But just these simple, universal truths, such as kindness and gratitude and so on, actually can be a spiritual practice.

Brenda Knight: Absolutely. I mean every morning I do a visualization, and a whole little practice in gratitude is absolutely part of it. And so I do want to share one practice which I would say has transformed my life, if we have time to share with your listeners.

David: Sure.

Brenda Knight: Okay. It's on page 81, and it's called -- it's the gratitude power tool about grace getting through the tough stuff. And this is actually my story. I worked on this book by Tony Burroughs -- you want to have him on -- it was called The Code: 10 Intentions for a Better World. And I have the job that I have now, editing books and acquiring for Viva Editions; I have the home that I have and everything, because of this process. And gratitude is the first step, actually, in this intention process.

So I was working at a previous publishing house. It was an international publishing house, and it was all about Hollywood tie-in books -- and zero spirituality and everything -- but I was attracted to it by the glamour, but it was very unhealthy. I was working like 100-hour weeks. It was awful.

And my boyfriend, we had just become engaged and bought a home together, but we were almost too busy -- he was an international businessman, too, so we were almost too busy to see each other. Then he got diagnosed with cancer, and from diagnosis to when he passed on was nine months, which is shockingly fast. And before I even had time to almost accept it or figure it out or figure out how to handle it, he died.

And then we didn't take care of the business end. Believe it or not, he didn't have a will. We didn't even think about that. All we were thinking about was like how he could possibly get better. And so, all of a sudden, I had a mortgage that I couldn't pay. And so I was living on credit cards, had zero cash, and meanwhile the vice-president of an international publishing house, and I'm going broke and like facing homelessness, really, because I was going to lose the home.

And then I went back to what I had learned from Tony Burroughs, the spiritual visionary, and it's called the Intention Process. And, basically, it's based on the fact that our thoughts create our experiences, and so, therefore, what you intend and what you think is ever more important. There's power in the spoken word. Positive thoughts bring positive experiences.

So, basically, I gathered this little group of people together, and we started a gratitude intending circle. And the very first step is you say what you're grateful for. Now, my boyfriend had just died, I was broke, exhausted, but you can still find things you're grateful for: the friends, the fact that I still had my health, the fact that I still had a job, even if it wasn't paying the bills I had. And you can intend for what you want as long as it's for the good of all.

And my girlfriend that was hosting this intended for a bookcase. She just wanted a bookcase to put her baby's toys on. And I wanted to sell the house without losing a huge amount so that I could survive, basically. I was on very survival level thinking. So the next day we all said, spoke our gratitude. We said what we wanted with our intentions. And then the next day, Amanda called me and said, "I walked outside of my apartment building. There was a brand new white bookcase exactly what I wanted." And she said, "This stuff really works."

And I said, "Wow. Okay." Well, I believed that it worked, but it's exciting that it can work so quickly. And so I think it was probably a month and a half, but I was able to sell the home that was bankrupting me. I was able to find a new rental home that was my ideal, and I was able to get a new job that -- actually, this job that I'm working at now. And so that's all through that process that we go take you through in The Gratitude Power Workbook on page 86 and 87. And it's very, very powerful. And so, if there's only one practice that people can do, do that. It all starts with gratitude, and I do it every single morning.

David: Well, I really appreciate your sharing that story, and it anticipates a couple of things that I was planning to ask you. One was about the role of gratitude in your life, and so it really speaks to that question. And also I was going to say there's a lot of bad news lately about the state of the world, the environment, the economy, and so on, and how can we stay thankful in difficult times. And your story speaks to that. Is there anything that you would like to add, you know, for other people who might be struggling with the economy and job loss, being underwater?

Brenda Knight: Yeah, absolutely. Things are tough, but I'm sure that, like at any point in history, people also thought it was like the best of times and the worst of times too. You know, you think about Victorian England and what Dickens wrote about children being exploited, starving, working in factories. That was very, very grave, and the beginning of the environmental disasters that we are facing and got to figure out how to deal with.

So we have a section in The Gratitude Power Workbook which is called "Don't Just Go through It, But Grow through It." And we basically say that every time a challenge -- you know, you can say it's a problem, but words have meaning -- so you could say that every time you're faced with a challenge, it's an opportunity for you to grow, so just look at it that way, like another growth opportunity. So maybe you'd made a big mistake at work, which happens; like I may mistakes now and again. And I fight against that scared feeling or just being knocked off -- knocked the wind out of me and losing confidence.

David: Sure.

Brenda Knight: And I think, "Okay, here's an opportunity for me to grow." So what I've learned is that fess up to mistake, tell the boss immediately, say, and then also offer a solution. So that's what I do. When a problem comes up, I try to think of the solution, and then I try to think of the lesson.

And so I told you before we got on the show that we got broken into. The office got broken into and my office was trashed and computers were stolen and things like that. You know, you feel so violated and everything. And I said, "Okay, well, strange as it is, this is another growth opportunity, so we need to make our office more secure. I'm extremely grateful that most of the computers did not get stolen." I was actually so grateful. The cops kept saying, "Jeez, you're taking this really well." And I said, "Well, they could have stolen like 10 computers instead of 2," so I was really, really glad about that.

David: Yeah. And nobody got hurt, right? That's important.

Brenda Knight: Nobody got hurt. Yeah. And then, actually, we reflected and talking with the police and the detectives, and they said it happens every year. The holidays come and people just get desperate. A desperation comes into people. And I guess it's the people that -- the poor, you know, people that are poor, of which there's a growing number, 99%. They probably feel this incredible psychological pressure of like, wow, here are the holidays and everyone else is getting together and eating turkeys and celebrating and giving each other gifts, and I don't have anything. I don't even have money in my pocket to buy groceries, so I've got to do just do whatever I can, an act of desperation; so a little understanding, just even trying to understand why it would happen.

And so it could have ruined my weekend, but it didn't. I actually went out that night with friends and we had a lovely time. And midway through the evening, somebody said, "Your office was broken into this morning? And your computer was stolen?" I said, "Oh, yeah." Like I had moved on. And it happened, but I looked at it, reflected upon it, and accepted the lessons in it for me. So that's my advice for that: don't just go through it; grow through it.

David: Yeah, and, you know, that's the difference between -- that's why it's not denial, because you reflected on it. You reflected and you accepted. And so if we can accept and move on, that's different than denial, where you're trying to shove something down and kind of deny that it ever happened or deny the feelings around it. So I think it sounds like you went through the feelings, but reflected on it and then came to accept it so that you could move on in that way. Do you think some people find gratitude a more difficult practice than other people? And why would that be?

Brenda Knight: Yeah, absolutely. It's funny; there are definitely people that have two different views of the world. Some people sort of think people are inherently good and kind, and others are more suspicious. And so gratitude might not come naturally to everybody, to all adults. But I think if you look back at children, we all come into the world as grateful beings.

I mean look at the laughter and smiles of a child. Children are also extremely giving and generous, actually, in their natural state, maybe before they get to school and whatever happens with the environment. But a child will give you their cookie. A child will hold your hand. A child will kiss you. It's a beautiful thing, and so I think if we could go back and try to go back to the mind of a child, which is like just happy for being alive, really.

David: Yeah. I was sitting, reading a book to my three-year-old granddaughter, and she was stroking my arm, my bare arm, as I was reading to her - almost like you would pet a dog or something. She was kind of petting me. And it was very sweet and very moving.

Brenda Knight: Hmm.

David: Just that simple, little gesture would be an example of the --

Brenda Knight: Right, and that comes from a grateful heart. So I think we're all born with a grateful heart, and the vicissitudes, the ups and downs of life can kind of wear that down a little bit. But through practicing gratitude every day -- which we address how to do that in both Living Life as a Thank you and The Gratitude Power Workbook -- if you just do it a little bit every day.

In the morning, wake up. Before you start drinking your coffee, think about what am I grateful for. What do I want do today? How can I give and have the best possible day? That's the visualization that I do every morning. I visualized that we were going to have a really nice conversation, that I was going to get even more out of it than I gave, and I knew it was going to be a very positive experience. And I'm enjoying myself.

David: Well, good. That's a great attitude. Now, did gratitude come naturally to you? Or is it something that you've really had to work at?

Brenda Knight: I think, by the fact that I grew up -- I actually grew up on a dirt road in Pt. Pleasant, West Virginia, in the country. And so when I first came to the Bay Area, which is very sophisticated and, to me, it was like shockingly wealthy. I still can't get over how much money there is in the Bay Area and Silicon Valley. But I think growing up country gave me an attitude of gratitude because it's a very simple life. You're very rooted in the earth. You're very connected to trees, and grass, and animals. And there's a more sort of innocent -- just an innocent approach to life. So I think I was blessed in growing up on a farm because I'm always going to be -- I'm always grounded. No matter what, I'm grounded.

David: Yeah, well, you were fortunate in that. Well, as we wrap up here, we're coming up on our Thanksgiving holiday. Would you have any particular recommendations for listeners about dealing with Thanksgiving, which sometimes is fraught with all sorts of challenges?

Brenda Knight: Yes, it can be, and I think it's very easily avoided. I have done this for years at my Thanksgivings, but when everyone gathers around the table -- the turkey is browned to a golden glow, and the gravy is at the right consistency, and all that -- when everyone's gathered down, I have everyone hold hands and say what they're grateful for in their life. And I have memories that will last me a lifetime from those Thanksgiving dinners. And so I urge all the listeners to do that simple sharing of gratitude at the very beginning of the meal before anyone eats. So sort of like grace, like a gratitude grace, if you will. And it is so beautiful. The room becomes suffused with the warm glow of love. And, I'm telling you, it will be the making of lifetime memories.

David: Well, I think that's a wonderful recommendation. And it's kind of amazing to realize that we have a national holiday that's about gratitude. It's called Thanksgiving, and it's really important for us to remember it, and in that way, and hold it in that way, I think. So, Brenda Knight, I want to thank you for being my guest on Wise Counsel.

Brenda Knight: Thank you for having me. I enjoyed myself enormously, and I hope you have a beautiful, beautiful Thanksgiving and all holidays.

David: Okay. Well, you too.

David: I hope you enjoyed this conversation with Brenda Knight. Even though we're probably all aware of the importance of gratitude, a reminder every now and then is helpful, I think. The Gratitude Power Workbook is certainly timely, given the season, and it would probably make a great holiday gift for someone you know.

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About Brenda Knight

Brenda Knight

Brenda Knight is editor of the Gratitude Power Workbook and a twenty-year publishing veteran, starting at HarperCollins and authored American Book Award-winning Women of the Beat Generation, Wild Women and Books, Rituals for Life, The Poetry Oracle, and the forthcoming Happiness Habits.

She has worked with many bestselling authors including Diane di Prima, Phil Cousineau, Daphne Rose Kingma, BJ Gallagher, Congresswomen Jackie Speier, Mary Jane Ryan, and Paolo Coehlo. Founding editor of Viva Editions, Knight lives in the San Francisco Bay Area, where she practices gratitude daily.


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