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Suspended From College For Expressing Suicidal Ideation (a reaction to an NPR radio story)

Mark Dombeck, Ph.D. Updated: Dec 2nd 2008

ivy on a brick wallWhile returning from lunch today, I heard a story on NPR concerning a college student, Jeremy, who was kicked out of college for letting his college know that he was experiencing suicidal ideation. It's early still and the complete story is not yet posted on the NPR website, but I believe it will appear here, as titled, "Some Students Fear Openness On Mental Health", airing December 2nd, 2008 on "All Things Considered".

As I recall, Jeremy's story was that, while a student at an Ohio college not long ago, he was in a fist fight with a fellow student and sustained some sort of head injury, a concussion of some sort, which made it difficult for him to complete his studies, and which also appears to have altered his mood, so as to contribute to a depression. In the midst of recovery from the head injury, and in the middle of this mood difficulty, Jeremy expressed significant frustration with his situation, and told someone that he was thinking of killing himself. This disclosure precipitated a trip to a psychiatric hospital by way of the student mental health center. Before he could return to school, he received a letter from the college informing him that he had been expelled from school because of his suicidality, and that he was not welcome to return, even for a temporary visit. I may possibly have recalled some of the key details of this story incorrectly. Please forgive me if this turns out to be the case, as I'm working off my memory alone.

I was kinda horrified upon hearing this story, and I expect many people will have similar feelings.

What these college administrators were likely trying to do was to play it safe and limit the potential liability that a suicidal (and possibly homicidal, who knows really) student might pose to their larger student body. It is arguably a college's right to bar a student from attending classes who is likely to become disruptive or a threat. A college does have a balancing act to perform, weighing the needs of each individual student against the needs of the collective student body. In the wake of mass shootings such as have recently occurred on college campuses like Virginia Tech , it is easy to see why administrators will want to err on the side of caution and remove students known to be making threats of lethal harm (if only against themselves) from their midst. "if Seung-Hui Cho had been removed from the Virginia Tech campus", they might have been thinking, "the shootings that occurred later might have been avoided".  "Maybe Jeremy isn't Cho, but who can afford to take the risk?". 

Though I can understand the extreme desire for caution that must have been present, and the need to act quickly that must have been so urgently felt at the level of administration so as to keep the student body safe, the decision to expel a student for admitting he was in need of help is nevertheless a wrong decision, and for a simple reason. When you offer rather extreme negative consequences for seeking mental health help (such as getting kicked out of school), you discourage students from seeking help, and thereby cause them to be likely to not get help. If students who need help can't get the help they need for fear of punishment, the ultimate chances that they will decompensate later on and become acutely dangerous to themselves or to others increase rather dramatically, is my guess. If I'm right, that makes these administrators' decision to expel Jeremy quite short sighted; "penny wise, and pound foolish" as the saying goes. They have maybe dodged an immediate possibility of liability, but only at the expense of creating the potential for a much more widespread liability, and the serious possibility of contributing to an increased number of otherwise possibly preventable suicides or homicides.

When you've worked in the mental health field for a while, you learn that suicide is a very difficult act to predict, even in cases when people tell you directly that they are suicidal. On any given sizable college campus, there are likely to be numerous people who experience suicidal ideation , either in a fleeting form or on a more constant basis. Only a fraction of these people will ever actually attempt suicide. Suicidal ideation is indeed a serious warning sign of suicidality, but it is not highly predictive in of itself that a suicidal act will definitively take place. This is why people who have been hospitalized for suicidal talk are routinely kicked out of the hospital well before they actually feel all that much better and often when they are still actively experiencing low level suicidal ideation. So long as the suicidal threat is not "acute", in the hospital's judgment, it is generally considered most likely safe to send 'em home.

Jeremy, stating point blank that he is a threat to himself, is in actuality quite likely not a serious threat to himself. His suicidal statement does absolutely need to be taken seriously, and immediately and exhaustively evaluated. It is absurd, however, that he should be judged and punished so harshly on the appearance of his momentary intent when the actuality of his longer term intent is so likely non-threatening. The decision to expel permanently appears to have been made in an emotional, hysterical and reactive manner, and not in relationship to the ultimate facts of the case. According to the radio story, Jeremy does not continue to feel suicidal, and has actually enrolled in a new college. The better way to have made the decision would have been to make a decision to suspend enrollment on a temporary basis pending the opportunity to evaluate the facts of the case as they emerged from the hospital stay and subsequent counseling sessions, the content of which, under the circumstances, the college arguably had reasonable need to be granted access to.

I'm fortunately not blessed with the responsibilities and pressures of being a college administrator needing to make a judgment call like the one made in Jeremy's case. I'd like to say that I'd make a different call if I were called upon to make such a decision, but in fairness to these anonymous men or women, I don't know the full range of pressures they were operating under. I'd like to think, however, that a middle ground could have been found which might have better preserved the balance of rights and needs for both Jeremy and the student body. The act of expulsion trampled Jeremy's reasonable expectation of being able to attend school. It sent a frightening message to anyone else attending that college (and by extension to all college students) thinking about seeking mental health care that care seeking will not be tolerated, which in my opinion, will have served only to heighten the overall risk for future mental health crises within these communities. Finally, the decision ignored the likely reality that more than a few other suicidal kids at Jeremy's college might have also been feeling suicidal for one reason or another, but just not talking about it out loud. In a less fearful world, Jeremy's crisis could have become an opportunity to encourage those other hurting students to come forward and get help they could benefit from, secure in the knowledge that they would not be punished for expressing an "intolerable weakness". Instead, I fear, everybody in that college community, and certainly those who need help most of all, have lost out.

Edit: the audio is now up on the NPR site and I've been able to fill in some details I missed.  The college in question is the College of Mount St. Joseph, located near Cincinnati, Ohio.  Jeremy was not expelled, but rather "placed on involuntary leave until January 2009 at the earliest". 

Mark Dombeck, Ph.D.

Mark Dombeck, Ph.D. was Director of Mental Help Net from 1999 to 2011. Presently, he is an Oakland Psychologist (Lic#PSY25695) in private practice offering evidence-based acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT) and cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) and addressing a range of life problems. Contact Dr. Dombeck by calling 510-900-5123, send Dr. Dombeck email or visit Dr. Dombeck's practice website for more information.

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This has been a problem for years - - Feb 19th 2011

I am sorry but the people who are always urging openess about this issue are VERY naive and I think they bear some responsibility for what has happened to people like this student.

We live in a society that fears and discriminates against mental illness (maybe less than some primative societies but still not great).

Efforts to explain the suicidal thoughts are common and that depressed people are not more violent than undepressed people just are not adequate.

With the advent of computer identities that follow people through life and institutions fearful of lawsuits, etc. We must change approaches.

People should be encouraged to seek help from non-institutional sources outside the school or from close friends, doctors, family - never the school.

The School Thinks No One Will Care - - Jul 15th 2010

It is amazing to me.  This is a Catholic (Christian) College.  I guess if you (the church) molest children you can also kick them out when they are struggling.  How Christian, How Catholic????  I bet the parents sent their kid there because of its christian values.  What does this say to anyone who attends the College of Mount St. Joseph in Cincinnati, Ohio? 

How do we think that boy is dealing with things now?  Kicked out of school in an embarrasing way, and as I heard didn't even get to say goodbye to his friends. 

What goes on at a school like that?  Do they have big lawyers that hide things, Do they have Administrators that hide things.  I never saw an article in the Cincinnati paper talking about this and why is that? 

Me too... - - Sep 27th 2009

same thing happened to me

sexual assault - karen - Apr 19th 2009

what happens to victims of sexual assault if they go for counseling?suicidal ideation is common among rape victims.  are they kicked out of school or do they get support?

I am sorry... maybe the school's crazy, not him - Francesca - Dec 7th 2008

I am sorry for him and that is terrible of his college.

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